User talk:Elekim

Questions
Hi there! Regarding your recent posts on talk pages, I just wanted to agree that answers to most of these questions are quite relevant to the wiki and would be worth adding if you can find answers. You might be able to find answers elsewhere online, in the advanced rulebook, or through Patashu for particularly complex stuff. If you do find answers, feel free to add them to the articles, and include references wherever possible; it's helpful for future editors/debate on the subject.

Regarding talk pages themselves, please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes ( ~ ) - this will produce the signatures you'll see for other users, including a time stamp. Also, new topics go at the bottom of talk pages, and the headers should be in sentence case, e.g., "Example section title" rather than "Example Section Title".

Other than that, welcome to the wiki! -- Taohinton (talk) 18:27, 17 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Your tips are very helpful, so feel free to tell me more if my newbyness will accidentally break this wiki etiquette. ;-) I will try to edit articles directly, but I will often use talk pages (at least at the beginning) since I unfortunately do not have enough resources (highly uncomplete collection, short friend list, little spare time from work) to check most issues by myself.. :-( Elekim (talk) 06:05, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Experimentation
A couple of things you might find useful when experimenting with page layouts and especially template functions. Firstly, if you're not aware, you can use the 'Show preview' function to show what the page will look like if saved. This can be used to repeatedly change e.g. template calls, and observe the results, without needing to save the page. It's a good idea to use this before posting any edit, to check for typos and mistakes, the new layout of the article, and to make sure you're ready to save the page. Secondly, if you'd like to be able to save draft page versions, or ongoing projects of your own, you can do this by creating subpages for your user page, for example User:Elekim/Sandbox.

While it's okay to experiment on pages using the 'Show preview' function, edits shouldn't be saved unless they're intended to be kept. In the case of template stuff like on Hero Power/Wild format, this can be done using 'Show preview', or if you want to be able to save draft versions, on a user subpage :) -- Taohinton (talk) 00:22, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Duplication of card notes for similar effects
Hey Elekim, hope you saw my comment earlier on one of the talk pages praising your additions to the various notes sections! I just saw your expansion of Embrace the Shadow, but I wanted to call your attention to a discussion Tao and I had a while back: Talk:Embrace the Shadow. I won't repeat what I already said there, but in essence that decision was made to try to save you time in cases exactly like this - instead of writing out the same mechanics rules for every card that uses it, you can edit the "original" card's notes and just refer back to that one in similar cards, making it easier to maintain long term. Of course, feel free to take a different approach, just wanted to make sure you were aware of the conversation.&#32;- jerodast (talk) 20:16, 5 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I saw your positive comments, thank you Jerodast! Talking about Embrace the Shadow, I was unsure if duplicating Auchenai Soulpriest's note or not, and I still am. However, I agree with your discussion with Tao about duplicates, so I changed Embrace the Shadow's notes again, almost reversing it to the previous state (linking additional notes to Auchenai Soulpriest's notes) but just adding a line that explicitly states its effect instead of simply saying "which has the same ongoing effect as Auchenai Soulpriest". This way all the needed information is on Embrace the Shadow's page, and one can follow the link to Auchenai Soulpriest's page only for detailed consequences and examples. Elekim (talk) 05:02, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Capital letters question
Yes the capital letters are much appreciated, thanks. https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Frost_Shock&curid=1296&diff=277525&oldid=277223 Aegonostic (talk) 23:46, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Repeating notes
This is something the community has to have a longer discussion about, and, with more and more editors contributing, probably adopt some kind of official guideline for. But for now, I would just recommend not to take too hard a line on removing/reverting repetition across pages. I have seen you mention principles of avoiding this but unfortunately it's probably not as cut-and-dried as that. One of the primary goals of the wiki is "helpfulness". Unlike a rigid rulebook, sometimes that probably means presenting the most common issues with a little redundancy, rather than going for the most highly structured system. Often one of the signs that the information may be non-obvious or too hard to find is when editors/readers try adding it in a place "it's not supposed to go". (Or on the other hand sometimes it's just that they missed something and it really doesn't need to be there! It's a balancing act.)

Just to be clear, this is an observation based on watching the last month or so of edits by various people, not a criticism of any specific decision. I plan to try to organize a more directed discussion on how best to present the rules...sometime :) &#32;- jerodast (talk) 07:19, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


 * By the way I realize this is a little ironic knowing our conversation about Embrace the Shadow a few months ago. Like I said, balancing act, needs more thought, different cases different reader needs, etc... &#32;- jerodast (talk) 07:21, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I agree a deeper discussion is needed about this topic. I am (and was) open to both solutions (avoiding repetitions, incouraging repetitions), but for now I just keep an eye on consistency between card pages with the same mechanic: for example, in the past I added the note about the "not below 0 mana cost" to all cards with repeating/increasing/not-fixed cost-reduction effects (Emperor Thaurissan, Sea Giant,...), since most of them already had the note; but I recently removed the note about "not below 0 mana cost" from Lunar Visions since that note was not present in any other page about cards with "cost X less" effects (and they are dozens!); if someone, thinking that note was useful and that it should be statd also on the individual card page, would have reverted my change or supported their opinion, I would have simply added the note not only to Lunar Visions page, but also to any other card with "cost X less" effects (or at least those with X>1). I hope I have explained my thoughts clearly: English is not my mother language, so I apologize for any mistake... :-) Elekim (talk) 04:24, 10 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I would not have noticed English was your second language, you write it very well :) Your logic makes sense and I see why Lunar Visions might have stuck out. I tend to take a more relaxed view of consistency as well since, again, we have no firm guidelines to tell us which is the "correct" version out of two inconsistent ones, but there's no denying that consistency is beneficial overall. Anyway, like I said, no real criticism intended so just keep using your best judgement!&#32;- jerodast (talk) 06:26, 10 May 2017 (UTC)