Talk:Permanent

Should "permanent" be a tag/ability for datapage usage?
I think "permanent" should be a tag/ability. However, they are only for non-collectibles, but I don't think that matters right? Aegonostic (talk) 16:47, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Can you rephrase? What exactly do you mean by a 'tag/ability'? 'Permanent' is already marked as an ability, as on Sherazin, Seed. -- Taohinton (talk) 18:37, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, yea the ability tag "Permanent" was created after my post. However, there's still a problem with the table not showing us the permanent cards from cards like Blue Portal in the article, which is really weird. I don't know what's the cause. Aegonostic (talk) 12:17, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Fairly certain that the List cards template doesn't list boss and Tavern Brawl cards by default, meaning we'll have to list those cards manually. --DeludedTroll (talk) 14:40, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * It is correct that List cards only includes regular cards by default. However, you can easily change that using . You would need to list the Tavern Brawl ones separate from the boss ones this way; or else you could just set a manual search using   to grab them all together. -- Taohinton (talk) 21:46, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Permanent and Immune
What happens if a Permanent minion gains Immune? Will it cancel the "cannot be destroyed" property of the minion? I saw some sort of interaction in The Dark Wanderer Brawl, when the Enigmatic Portal popped out after triggering all Secrets, it was destroyed by Twisting Nether, and I think that was because it was Immune and Permanent. It also could be stolen by Sylvanas Windrunner's deathrattle, thus allowing the player to become The Cow King. Was it because it was Immune while being Permanent, or it was intended behaviour? TheGamer765 (talk) 12:50, 23 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Wow those are some pretty crazy interactions. Immune + Permanent should definitely be tested when the expansion kicks off. Permanents being destroyed or stolen shouldn't be intended behavior, I don't think. Aegonostic (talk) 14:29, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, it was DOOM!, not Twisting Nether, and here is the video where Enigmatic Portal was destroyed by DOOM!:https://youtu.be/KlBjcbBB1rk?t=7m3s


 * And this is where it gets stolen by Sylvanas' Deathrattle (which was copied with Unearthed Raptor):
 * https://youtu.be/KlBjcbBB1rk?t=10m25s


 * Second video about the Portal getting stolen:
 * https://youtu.be/ABCW24C-RN8?t=3m49s
 * TheGamer765 (talk) 19:13, 23 March 2017 (UTC)


 * These videos are awesome! Are these videos currently in any of their related articles? Maybe these effects should be (preemptively) documented in Permanent. Aegonostic (talk) 19:43, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I only saw the second video's link at The Dark Wanderer's Visions of Fate's dual effect in a reference.
 * The Portal's text doesn't explicitly say that it's not a minion, unlike the Medivas' text in Party Portals!, where it explicitly stated that they does not count as a minion, and maybe that's why it does counted as a minion for random effects, and Destroy effects.


 * And because every other Permanent minons were had limited appearance and function, we can't verify if that this phenomenon could occur outside Tavern Brawls, or it was just occured in The Dark Wanderer Brawl, because Regular Play didn't featured Permanent minions before Un'Goro. TheGamer765 (talk) 20:18, 23 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Yea, those are very good points. Probably it's better to wait until April 6th, until the cards come out, to test all of this cool stuff out. Aegonostic (talk) 03:53, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Permanents are minions in name only
I made some article changes adopting the perspective that permanents, generally, are not minions in almost every way. They are objects on the board like minions, and technically classified as minions so that the board positioning system works normally, but it's clear most minion mechanics don't apply. I'd love to figure out what was up with some of the exceptions listed above but I suspect they're just bugs/inconsistencies within that one Tavern Brawl. We can definitely discuss and revert if someone has a different perspective!&#32;- jerodast (talk) 16:52, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Dormant
Dormant is bolded on the new Ashes of Outland imprisoned cards. Should we move the article, or create a second one specifically for minions that go dormant (so, not Nether Portal and the Adventure/Brawl cards)? TheMurlocAggroB (talk) 16:48, 18 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Not sure. My initial gut feeling was to treat the Ashes of Outland Dormant minions as a separate thing since they're distinguished by the fact that they automatically wake up after a few turns, unlike things like Nether Portal. However, there is precedence for the term with Sherazin, Corpse Flower and Lucentbark's card text. I think it would depend on how "Dormant" is defined in the in-game keyword description; if it only describes a card with no Attack/Health that permanently remains on the board, then we should move this page to that name. If so, it wouldn't surprise me if Blizzard retroactively added this keyword to things like Nether Portal and Sherazin, Seed, but I think we'll have to wait and see. --DeludedTroll (talk) 17:12, 18 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I was thinking it could formatted like "Dormant minions become Permanents until their specified condition is fulfilled." So that's Permanent for the card type, and Dormant for the ability. TheMurlocAggroB (talk) 18:00, 18 March 2020 (UTC)